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Mark Vera
Master Droid
Joined: 14 Jan 2005
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Location: Finland
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2005-10-01, 1:22 |
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Well.. juno isn't really overrated.. when you've used the real-thing yourself, software feels poor.
Your link doesn't work.
edit: ok.. now it plays.
Rather good for software, but still quite digital and cold sounding, but as variation it's okay. Kotobass is good, as it's much easier for software 
One of my favourite juno patches I've programmed, http://www.markvera.net/experiments/junoline1.mp3 .. punchy, yet soft..  |
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Sakke
Joined: 12 Jun 2003
Posts: 404
Location: Finland
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2005-10-01, 9:14 |
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| Mark Vera wrote: | Well.. juno isn't really overrated.. when you've used the real-thing yourself, software feels poor.
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Juno isn't overrated, but I think that typical LD bass is. Everyone is after it (including me?). Don't get me wrong, sure it sounds freakn' good but hell, like it was the only great sounding bass in this universe... (or am I just jealous? haha)
And yes, I agree that a softsynth can never sound like a real analog. |
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Krizz
Joined: 04 Jun 2003
Posts: 1147
Location: Poland
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2005-10-03, 13:40 |
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| Quote: | | Well.. juno isn't really overrated.. when you've used the real-thing yourself, software feels poor. |
| Quote: | | And yes, I agree that a softsynth can never sound like a real analog. |
Unless it's RGC: Z3ta+ or Arturia Moog Modular
Come on guys - it's nothing more than ordinary prejudice to software synths. Some music experts said that software synths lack the vibe of hardware, while the are only few who, given very good hearout monitors, can say that given sound is made on soft- or a hardware. It's just like mp3 - a lot of people say that mp3 sux compared to audio, but actually, in a "blind" test, they cannot distinguish these (as one of these blind test has proven). I dare to say that while it is possible to distinguish mp3 apart from audio, the difference between GOOD software and hardware synths are minor. I think that software like Z3ta+ can easily create leads the same quality as i.e. NordLead (perhaps no 1 among trance producers). Well, a matter of taste which one would sound better, since Z3ta+ wasn't intended to recreate NordLead's sound.
But there are types of sounds that analog instruments are unbeatable at synthesis of. I mean very high pitched sounds, with smooth vibe, something like a lot of sounds JMJ used to use on Equinoxe. Since analog synths have no sample resolution, they can create smooth, high pitched sounds without problem of Nyquist frequency. But this is is also an issue of hardware, digital synths. |
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LauriT
[Retired Droid]
Joined: 12 Jan 2003
Posts: 1833
Location: Melmac
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2005-10-03, 14:55 |
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I don't think software synths sound weaker than digital hardware synths such as Nord Leads or Novations. Actually some software synths sound better than my Supernova 2 for instance. The problem exists in emulating analog stuff, especially ones with VCO's which tend to produce a very drifting and organic sound. Even the Juno-106 has turned out to be quite hard to emulate eventhough it has DCO's. Many software (and digital in that matter) synths have ugly aliasing in high registers which is an instant turn-off for me.
Keyboards.de has a nice comparison between some software and hardware synths. Here's a Babelfish translation. MP3 samples included. |
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Anders
Joined: 08 May 2003
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2005-10-03, 20:26 |
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I agree with Lauri. I have nothing against software synths. I use them a lot myself, but when it comes to emulating the typical LD bass nothing I've heard comes close to the original in warmth and feeling.
Is the junobass overused? Yes, but the thing with that sound is that it works incredibly well so it's hard not to use it 
But of course, it's not the only bass that is good. |
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analoq
Joined: 01 Oct 2005
Posts: 5
Location: The O.C.
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2005-10-03, 21:58 |
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| LauriT wrote: | | Keyboards.de has a nice comparison between some software and hardware synths. Here's a Babelfish translation. MP3 samples included. |
hey, nice find. thanks.
my moniker probably gives away my bias but i love softsynths and va's as well.
cheers. |
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M-Freak (1)
Joined: 13 Jun 2004
Posts: 156
Location: Berlin, Germany
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2005-10-04, 21:31 |
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ok ok i deleted the post.
here a link to the site i found about the juno 106 and the original FLYERS from the Manufacturer
any juno owners will find that site intresting as they have lots of info's on cleaning, changing batterys etc
JUNO 106
M-Freak
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Krizz
Joined: 04 Jun 2003
Posts: 1147
Location: Poland
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2005-10-05, 7:52 |
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M-freak, look what you have done - you've spoiled the look of the forum. Rescale the picture before putting it here.
Edit: Now's fine
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Sakke
Joined: 12 Jun 2003
Posts: 404
Location: Finland
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2005-10-05, 9:02 |
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| Krizz wrote: |
Unless it's RGC: ......... or Arturia Moog Modular
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All 9 oscillators detuned and square waveforms with LFO controlled PWMs is pure sweetness! What a sound, but playing chords with that patch took 30-40% of my CPU...  |
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M-Freak (1)
Joined: 13 Jun 2004
Posts: 156
Location: Berlin, Germany
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2005-10-25, 21:42 |
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talking of the juno in this music genre....now it's official !
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