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Post Post #4597
I haven't got the time to participate here at spacesynth.net for a long time. But now I return in order to slowly build up my focus on spacesynth composition again. Hopefully I'll soon find the time for creating my own music.

I feel a little bit rusty, considering that I almost haven't touched any gear or played a single note since early summer 2006. But my first little experiment will be to re-create that wonderful bass that e.g. Marco Rochowski uses in his "Cosmic Renaissance (Space Mix)" track and Laserdance uses in "Excitation" (from the album "Around the planet").

So, let's get started. In this thread, I'll post my progress towards this goal. Of course I will very much appreciate hints and constructive feedback from the rest of you (particularily from sound-synthesists).

This may seem like a futile quest - maybe every spacesynth artist knows how to re-create that bass. But I don't, so I'll just try it and see what happens... stay tuned.
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Master Droid



Post Post #4598
Yes. Juno bass at the fullest. Should be rather easy to reproduce if you have real Juno-106. Otherwise it's quite challenging Smile
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Post Post #4599
Oh, I forgot to mention the stuff I'll use and have access to at the moment:

Hardware:
- Intel P4, 3 GHz, 1024 MB RAM. SB Live soundcard.
- Roland Juno 106 (the only external hardware)

Software:
- Orion Platinum
- Reason 3.0
- Vanguard VSTi
- Atmosphere VSTi
- z3ta+ VSTi
- Pro-53 VSTi

Granted, it's not much for a studio, but I'll buy some more things later when I can afford it.
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Post Post #4600
Mark Vera wrote:
Should be rather easy to reproduce if you have real Juno-106.


I'll do my best! Smile
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Post Post #4601
All right, some raw material sampled right away from Juno 106 to get this thing started:

Sequences, for reference, in different shades (trying to imitate "that" common-type LD-bass):

http://www.speedyshare.com/508820933.html
http://www.speedyshare.com/135603376.html
http://www.speedyshare.com/698768476.html
http://www.speedyshare.com/286461444.html

Single notes:

http://www.speedyshare.com/193524324.html
http://www.speedyshare.com/267950719.html
http://www.speedyshare.com/770740375.html
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[Retired Droid]



Post Post #4603
Just curious, is that a factory preset you are using? Or did you spent a lot of time to make that sound? In the interview with Rob he mentioned that they used slightly edited presets on the LD/Proxyon albums.
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Post Post #4604
No, not any factory preset. I didn't spend too much time with those clips, basically I just followed the instructions from Mark Vera (see: http://www.spacesynth.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1654#1654) and modified the ADSR by some millimeter here and there (ouch - those sliders are really sensitive!).

Still, this is not close to the bass I'm after to recreate here. LD must have used a combination of two basses - it's difficult for me to hear, but in that "Excitation" track it certainly sounds like a two layered bass to me. One warmer, soft bass similar to the ones I sampled above, and a more snappy, punchy one on top of that. Man, this is difficult. Smile
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Post Post #4605
OK, so I'll try my first shot with the combo thing. Let's see what happens if I combine the Juno with a basic saw-typeish sound:

http://www.speedyshare.com/651286336.html

Well, now it sounds like ****. More attempts will definitely follow.
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Post Post #4606
Sounds just plain juno in Excitation. Besides the mono delay in the sound. Adjust the filter envelope a bit, that affects the brightness and punch.
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Post Post #4607
I haven't got any 106 myself so I solved the bass-issue in another way (it's not a good solution, but I didn't succeeded to get the correct sound in any other way ... ). I sampled the bassline from the intro of Laserdance's Warriors (the one on Technological Mind) and used Recycle to transpose the whole sequence from the ordinary C-notes to something else.
Here is a short example that I made with the bassline from Warriors (I transposed the C-notes to the classic A-F-G-E notes by using Recycle2 and then I exported the bassline as a rex2-file and imported it into CubaseSX): laserdancebass.mp3

Btw, the drums are also ripped from Laserdance by using Recycle (they are taken from the tune "Fear (remix)" on the Future Generation album).
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